We can't pretend this isn't a massive global issue so here's a super controversial thread for you all to debate about. I'm staying neutral here but if any of you want to voice your opinion on who to support go right ahead. I'll leave a poll open for people that don't want to debate.

"Both" means you don't support either side and you just want them to stop fighting.
"Palestine" means you support Palestine's actions
"Israel" means you support Israel's actions.  

Yeh, this is pretty controversial, buti believe both should have equal rights to the resources they are fighting over. Just my opinion, I know the back story and what not, I think it's fair that both sides get equal share.  

they both should just go out and kill eachother, we all know its gonna happen anyway, the middle east is filled with wars and conflict, all it takes is someone to go too far, then the big powers can take them out.  

neither, all they ever do is fight, it's really pretty immature.  

I don't care for either one of them.
I would personally be completely unaffected if they blew each other to pieces.  

Israel was wrong from 1948 to today.
Main reasons I believe and why I do believe so.
Israel killed civilians of Palestine (ex. Woman, Children, Men) which in my case was unneeded.
Although, I do not see Israel as wrong. Logically, if your 'god' is telling you to do something, you're going to do it, or you're going to hell or etc.
And followed by the Bible, Palestinians have all rights to be mad at the Jews.
As for the British(I believe) were the ones who gave the Jews the weapons to defend themselves; which eventually leading to the 6 day war of Israel, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. The British government had no rights to just divide of part of Israel and give it to the Jews in the first place, they never stopped to think for the people living in those areas they gave. Palestinians have all rights to genocide, in my opinion. It IS their land, after all.

An opinion. Politely correct me If I said something historically incorrect or something that offends you.  

Posted by Rexx

I don't care for either one of them.
I would personally be completely unaffected if they blew each other to pieces.

 

I love Pimpsy's discussion threads. They provide an intelligent place for debate and a good read whether you join in or not.

Anyway, although I don't know the exact details of the conflict at the moment, I know the (primarily religious) reason for the conflict, although it's progressed to the point where revenge is also a reason. It seems stupid, fighting over a piece of land which, if studied a bit, isn't even the best place for farming or looking for resources, except maybe oil. Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that Israel is backed up by the US and other world powers, they wouldn't be messing with the Palestinians in the first place. The killing of the residing Palestinians is simply unnecessary, and if I remember correctly, Israel bombed Egypt first last week, which was also unnecessary. Sure, they killed a man who was a leader of one of their various enemies, but the collateral damage should've been considered as well.
On the religious side of the conflict, both sides are going against what their religions teach. They are killing many people for idiotic reasons, usually justified by some half-assed "We're doing it for (place deity here)" excuse and expect to get away with it, which sadly, they do. Then again, this is referring to the extremists that do everything.

Again, I'm not sure of the full details at the moment. If someone could correct me if I said anything incorrect, it would be appreciated.  

I can't say either has a rightful cause. In the end it will always be over land. If the two were to go to war Israel could easily take Palestine, but not without the possibility of the Muslim nations working together to fight Israel. Not to mention the U.S. and UK would get involved as they are major supporters of Israel since it's establishment after WWII.

Posted by Rexx

I don't care for either one of them.
I would personally be completely unaffected if they blew each other to pieces.

Perhaps you would care if Iran were to join in the fighting. as they would also support anti-Israel/U.S. sentiments. The possibility that they could indeed hold Nuclear weapons would give anyone worry.  

Well I believe to my knowledge I am the only Palestinian member of this forum. My answer should be obvious. I do NOT support the extermination of all Jews on this planet. But the fact the Jews believe that they are entitled to land that God gave them is absurd. God is not a real estate agent. The U.S. of the A is bending over and taking it up the ass by Israel.  

Posted by iHot

Well I believe to my knowledge I am the only Palestinian member of this forum. My answer should be obvious. I do NOT support the extermination of all Jews on this planet. But the fact the Jews believe that they are entitled to land that God gave them is absurd. God is not a real estate agent. The U.S. of the A is bending over and taking it up the ass by Israel.

You're also forgetting the UN and UK. I guess you could also include NATO as well. All being bosses by Israel one tiny nation.  

Posted by Higbey

they both should just go out and kill eachother, we all know its gonna happen anyway, the middle east is filled with wars and conflict, all it takes is someone to go too far, then the big powers can take them out.

To really understand this topic, you need to study WW1.

Posted by Ventus277

You're also forgetting the UN and UK. I guess you could also include NATO as well. All being bosses by Israel one tiny nation.

The fact that Israel is controlling the UN! They are the ones (and its allies such as the USA) who are denying Palestine statehood! What is wrong with that? The Jews are taking Palestinian land and building settlements. Thousands expelled from their homes all in the name of God they say!  

Posted by iHot

To really understand this topic, you need to study WW2, Persian Gulf, Iraq and Afghanistan Wars.

Yugoslavia could also be an instance of Genocide intervention by NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 but action wasn't taken until 1998.

Posted by iHot

The fact that Israel is controlling the UN! They are the ones (and its allies such as the USA) who are denying Palestine statehood! What is wrong with that? The Jews are taking Palestinian land and building settlements. Thousands expelled from their homes all in the name of God they say!

I fully support Israel's right to defend themselves, however I do not support actions of taking another countries land. Unless it is out of a counter to aggression toward Israel.  

Posted by Ventus277

Yugoslavia could also be an instance of Genocide intervention by NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 but action wasn't taken until 1998.

This happened in various other times of history. My knowledge on that war in Yugoslavia is very limited beyond GTA 4. Also I said WW1 because its really what started it all.

Posted by Ventus277

Yugoslavia could also be an instance of Genocide intervention by NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 but action wasn't taken until 1998.



I fully support Israel's right to defend themselves, however I do not support actions of taking another countries land. Unless it is out of a counter to aggression toward Israel.

Israel picks on the smaller people. Hamas rockets are very weak. When Israel shoots from their damn high-tech fighter planes they increase civilian casualties. The number of deaths in Israel is 4 still. Palestinian injuries are much higher than Israelis injuries.
**** the IDF I don't care if they DO warn civlians to leave or not.  

Posted by iHot

This happened in various other times of history. My knowledge on that war in Yugoslavia is very limited beyond GTA 4. Also I said WW1 because its really what started it all.


Israel picks on the smaller people. Hamas rockets are very weak. When Israel shoots from their damn high-tech fighter planes they increase civilian casualties. The number of deaths in Israel is 4 still. Palestinian injuries are much higher than Israelis injuries.
**** the IDF I don't care if they DO warn civlians to leave or not.

.....so...because one side is shooting missiles that are not super destructive, its okay and the other side cant use high tech fighter planes....


seriously, ill be all the happier when all the people in the middle east end up blowing eachother up. once one side goes too far, and a major power uses its force.....yea they are ash piles.