Most of the time I just like to wonder and ask things. Mostly because I?m curious. Though, usually people take it the wrong way or they just hide. I don?t really do things like this, but sometimes things get me really mad even though it can just be? meh. Lolz

Anyways, today I had a friend pmed me. He was mad. Everyone has a reason to be mad, doesn't matter what it is. His reason was? not getting a 1k hat he worked so hard to helping his guild get. When this guild started, he spent more time in that tag than on my guild tag. He practically stopped using my tag completely. I think there was time we didn?t even talk because he was so busy with that guild. Brawl.

Brawl just got their 1k hat today. Even I helped them when my friend asked if I could. It wasn?t always. It was just ever other whatnot day, and not even for a long time.

So, when my friend told me he didn?t get the hat after all his dedication to helping them get 1k, I decided to pm the guild leader about it. Because I wonder why my friend hadn?t gotten it.


So I asked him. (similar to this). ?Why didn?t you give 1k hat to people who helped get 1k hours?? don?t remember what exactly I asked him.

But this is what I got back.



My answer was, ?Because he left my guild to join yours.?

He pmed back with.



And I said, ?(name of friend)?

He pmed back.



I pmed back to him something very long.

But all I got back from him after he logged back on was this.



And he did block me.



lol
Guilty.
Hiding.
Knows what he did.
Knows the truth.
Which sucks

1k guilds gotten pretty much out of hand. There's so many guilds now. It's become so eZ for anyone. Sometimes I wish it would change. There should be some kind of change? Sometimes it feels it's more of the hat than about the fun. I don't know, but yeah?

Kind of sad. Lolz but probably nothing will be done about it.
(just venting) cheers  

Posted by Lulu

Most of the time I just like to wonder and ask things. Mostly because I?m curious. Though, usually people take it the wrong way or they just hide. I don?t really do things like this, but sometimes things get me really mad even though it can just be? meh. Lolz

Anyways, today I had a friend pmed me. He was mad. Everyone has a reason to be mad, doesn?t matter what it is. His reason was? not getting a 1k hat he worked so hard to helping his guild get. When this guild started, he spent more time in that tag than on my guild tag. He practically stopped using my tag completely. I think there was time we didn?t even talk because he was so busy with that guild. Brawl.

Brawl just got their 1k hat today. Even I helped them when my friend asked if I could. It wasn?t always. It was just ever other whatnot day, and not even for a long time.

So, when my friend told me he didn?t get the hat after all his dedication to helping them get 1k, I decided to pm the guild leader about it. Because I wonder why my friend hadn?t gotten it.


So I asked him. (similar to this). ?Why didn?t you give 1k hat to people who helped get 1k hours?? don?t remember what exactly I asked him.

But this is what I got back.



My answer was, ?Because he left my guild to join yours.?

He pmed back with.



And I said, ?(name of friend)?

He pmed back.



I pmed back to him something very long.

But all I got back from him after he logged back on was this.



And he did block me.



lol
Guilty.
Hiding.
Knows what he did.
Knows the truth.
Which sucks

1k guilds gotten pretty much out of hand. Threes so many guilds now. It?s become so eZ for anyone. Sometimes I wish it would change. There should be some kind of change? Sometimes it feels it?s more of the hat than about the fun. I don?t know, but yeah?

Kind of sad. Lolz but probably nothing will be done about it.
(just venting) cheers

Nothing can be done about it. It's pathetic how people only believe hats are the reward. They poisoned towers. Now they are held for hats, not fun or bragging rights  

Cri.
Honestly there couldve been 30 other members more active than him, You weren't even in the guild so I don't understand how you know he deserved the hat.  

I helped out brawl for like a few days for the hell of it lol  

The hat is probably going to be this huge ugly eyesore that covers 3x your head like most 1k hats anyways.  

Posted by Blueh

The hat is probably going to be this huge ugly eyesore that covers 3x your head like most 1k hats anyways.

He's wearing the hat.  

The fact that this guy has one of the those heads you find swarming Graal Depot and his signature says "also thank you haters" makes me believe this story.

Posted by Shadowfox

He's wearing the hat.

It's ugly IMO, at least not worth the 1,000 hours of effort.  

The whole system where the leader is allowed to pick who gets the hats out of thin air is just pretty stupid to me. It'd be cooler if there was a system in place that allowed players to feel more secure over getting a reward when helping a guild, but that isn't possible. There's no concept that I can think up that would be an effective way of recording some metric of "this player helped a guild this much." However, it all boils down to selecting the right guild.

Just from these screenshots, I can tell "Josh Pyro" was probably a garbage leader. He was probably immature, demanding, threatening, etc. That's how I see most tower guild leaders behave. I just don't understand why a lot of people choose to stick with guilds like that.


I've lead two guilds to 1000 hours and picking the hat spots in both guilds was really difficult. To share my own story, I had one leader from my first guild (Voxel) really dig into me over a particular player not getting the hat. This player admittedly did help the guild quite a bit, but what can you do when there is a limit on how many players get the hat? I selected the 23 players who I felt contributed the most. Is that to say that there weren't 30 players who contributed a ton? No, but only 25 can get the hat. No matter what, people are going to be disappointed.

But anyway, that player ranted in my PMs for literally hours accusing me of being a poor leader and not knowing how to make a proper selection. The next guild that he moved on to, Shaolin, eventually reached 1000 hours and gave their hat to numerous players who didn't do anything at all for the guild. I think even a few hat spots were sold? I asked him what his opinion of that was and he claimed "he knew it was going to happen so he didn't care."


Very many people in the towering community are extremely selfish and manipulative. I don't like this business where people reach a reward threshold, like 1000 or 5000 hours, and then "hold" the hat from players to juice more work out of them. That's so manipulative and stupid. It's forcing players to continue to put in more work than they originally may have wanted to just because they feel that they have to so that they're still considered for a reward that they should have already gotten. So, you end up joining a guild that you assume has a goal of 1000 hours. Then, at 1000 hours the leader decides they aren't done. They want to go to 5000 hours instead. Now the players who helped to 1000 hours feel helpless and forced to continue to tower because, "I already dumped in 1000 hours of effort and I'd like a reward to show for it, but to get it I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to stay around all the way until 5000 hours now."

There are probably 2 or 3 people on the entire game who I'd ever take seriously as a leader of a tower guild. The rest come across to me as very unappreciative and selfish. I don't think these guild leaders realize that loyalty isn't just when your members do what you ask of them, it's when a guild leader actually returns the favor and looks out for people who spent their time helping a guild that doesn't even belong to them. That's why people like Sarah, Mood, Sugar, MeMo, Rekz, and others who helped me in both guilds pretty much can ask me for anything they want when it comes to Graal-related stuff.

Anyway, sorry about your friend.  

Many tower guild leaders have such... strange... habits... Once for fun, two friends and I logged onto newb accounts to see if we could join guilds. It didn't really work out, so we just went with tower guilds since those were the only ones who would take us. And we joined a few, but most of them were just plain weird. Like one of them demanded that only girl players were allowed in the flag room and males had to stand guard. Basically the leader thought he was some hip-cool playboy or whatever and flirted with all the females, so my friends decided to screw with his ego (I had to stand guard >: |). There was another one where the leader was like flipping out on everyone and calling everyone a noob. We made sure to log back on our normal accounts to make him eat his words, but he was very rude to pretty much towards everyone. Guild chat was purely reserved for him yelling, so we annoyed him by starting conversations with the members and got them to like us more than him which resulted in him kicking us. Good times lol.  

Posted by Thallen

The whole system where the leader is allowed to pick who gets the hats out of thin air is just pretty stupid to me. It'd be cooler if there was a system in place that allowed players to feel more secure over getting a reward when helping a guild, but that isn't possible. There's no concept that I can think up that would be an effective way of recording some metric of "this player helped a guild this much." However, it all boils down to selecting the right guild.

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^This. I think if the admins got together and put some thought into they might be able to come up with something to fix the crummy reward system and hopefully take away the ability to choose who gets a hat and when. I don't see with all the drama I hear about and have seen why its allowed to continue and not been over hualed as of yet.  

I don't think there's any realistic solution that will take the hat rewards out of the hands of the leader. I think that will always be there, so this will constantly happen. It's just that people have to pick the correct guild with the correct leader.

Furthering the point, not only do some guilds "hold" hats for extended periods of time just to squeeze more work out of players, some just flat-out lie.
Case in point is CoM specifically, where some members have been motivated to continue pushing for the 20k goal so that they can be a part of this big and unheard of reward:


It gets to a point where if you'd intentionally lie like this just to manipulate people into putting in work for your guild, you're a ****ty person.

Spoiler

It's probably a tough balance to find a guild that will actually meet a goal and be successful and is at the same time led by someone who is reasonable and honest, but there are some out there, and in those guilds these problems won't exist. I'll personally never join a tower guild unless the leader is one of about three people.  

Posted by Thallen

I don't think there's any realistic solution that will take the hat rewards out of the hands of the leader. I think that will always be there, so this will constantly happen. It's just that people have to pick the correct guild with the correct leader.

Furthering the point, not only do some guilds "hold" hats for extended periods of time just to squeeze more work out of players, some just flat-out lie.
Case in point is CoM specifically, where some members have been motivated to continue pushing for the 20k goal so that they can be a part of this big and unheard of reward:


It gets to a point where if you'd intentionally lie like this just to manipulate people into putting in work for your guild, you're a ****ty person.

Spoiler

It's probably a tough balance to find a guild that will actually meet a goal and be successful and is at the same time led by someone who is reasonable and honest, but there are some out there, and in those guilds these problems won't exist. I'll personally never join a tower guild unless the leader is one of about three people.

You could have just easily had ur friend message you those messages acting as if he/she was a CoM member. On the other hand, 20k hours gets you a mount that 40 or 50 people can have(just like the 5k hat);)  

Posted by Its_Nanner

You could have just easily had ur friend message you those messages acting as if he/she was a CoM member.

Sure, but I didn't. If it's something that really concerns you, you can feel free to ask any random long-time CoM members what they've been told about a 20k reward. Ask Siggy, he's been with that guild forever. I don't even understand why you'd point that out. I could have edited both screenshots if I really wanted to, but why?  

Well those people are gullible. If they really wanted the truth they should have asked Xor.  

Nah, they should be able to trust their leader, especially if they've already put in lots of work. What's worse than being a gullible person is being someone who lies and manipulates others for their own selfish benefit, which was probably the case in Lulu's original post about Brawl's leader as well.