Posted by eevee2

Thallen Is A Genius.
It Is Sad Still That Dusty Can't Do It :/
But If It Get To Be Implant I Won't Participate If There Is A Seasonal Reward.
If There Are Rewards For Winning A Number Of Spar Vs Random People, Then I'm In.
Because Seasonal Rewards=Happy Wars=100 Person Getting Rewards All The Time Because They Don't Have A Life And Plays Graal Almost 24/7, Glitch & Hack Or Any Of Those Ways.

Ok I Take Back What I Said Thallen Isn't A Genius.
Still Since Canada Is Just Next To Us And One Of The State Of The US Is Like Surrounded By The Canada I'd Say Let The Canadian Play Too.
So Well From My Opinion, Rewards Should Be For Winning Spar With A Random Person.
In A System Working Like This:
First Of All You Select The Country You Are In(Will Make Sense at #7)
You Won't Be Able To Select Another One Without A Good Reason And You Will Get A Penalty If You Change.
1.You Get In A Room And You Select What Time You Can Spar.
2.It Will Look How Much Points And Wins You Already Have And Try To Match Someone Who Fits With Them. Something Like Points Divided By Number Of Wins + Number Of Lost Divided By Number Of Wins(Example:2 Wins, 5 Losts And 30 Points Would Give You A Rank Equal To 17.5 So The Others Would Have To Have 17 to 18 To Be Able To Spar With That Person)
3.If No One Match It Will Ask You If You Want To Spar With Someone With An Higher Rank Which Would Make You Get More Points If You Win Or Spar Someone With A Lower Rank Which Would Make You Get Less Points If You Win.
4.The Match Should Be First Approved By An Admin Who Would Be Able To Cancel It But With A Reason Or Accept It. So There Isn't Any Fake Accounts Of 1 Hours Who Gets To Spar Someone With 100 Hours.
5.In The Case Of People Lagging, None Gets Any Points From The Match. But You Need A Proof So I'd Say That Maybe:
(A)-An Admin Watch The Match (Not Really A Great Idea Still It's One Of The Most Secure One)
(B)-Random People Could Watch The Match And Be A Proof.
(C)-They Bring A Friend With Them Who Would Watch The Match.
6.For Seasonal Rewards, It Shouldn't Count On How Many Wins/Points You Get.
It Should Count On How Many Spar Did You Do, If The Spars Were Fair Or Not, If The Spars Followed The Rules (Like Giving Penalty To The Ones Boosting Or Lagging) And That Kind Of Things.
7.If There Is A Seasonal Reward I Think It Would Be More Fair If The Rewards Were Given By Country But They Would Have To Be The Same.
Because It Would Let More People Get Rewards So It's Not Always The Same Persons That Get Them.
8.Maybe Make It A 3 Rounds Spar And The Ones That Wins 2 Out Of 3 Wins.

I'm actually interested in what you have to say, but it's not worth the headache of reading the caps every letter.  

Posted by Fire Surge

I'm actually interested in what you have to say, but it's not worth the headache of reading the caps every letter.

It Wasn't Capitalized When I Posted It.
It's Probably My Autocorrect.
Oh And Do You Really Think I Would Waste My Time Putting A Capital Letter All The Time? I Wouldn't It's Just The Autocorrect And I Don't Want To Waste My Time Checking The Capital Letter All The Time. And Anyway It's Not A Big Deal.
Still It's Going To Be Fixed In The Week-End Or Later.
Anything Interesting That Seems Like A Great Idea Worth The Headache Of Reading The Text, Capital Letter Or Not.  

Posted by eevee2

It Wasn't Capitalized When I Posted It.
It's Probably My Autocorrect.
Oh And Do You Really Think I Would Waste My Time Putting A Capital Letter All The Time? I Wouldn't It's Just The Autocorrect And I Don't Want To Waste My Time Checking The Capital Letter All The Time. And Anyway It's Not A Big Deal.
Still It's Going To Be Fixed In The Week-End Or Later.
Anything Interesting That Seems Like A Great Idea Worth The Headache Of Reading The Text, Capital Letter Or Not.

You have the ****ing autocorrect from hell.  

Posted by Sariss

You have the ****ing autocorrect from hell.

I know but still now it went back from where it came!
The hell  

This is so much better than the current leaderboard. I sparred today for the first time in ages and made it to 8k points which used to be impossible but then I see 18 ACCTS above me with 8k-8.8k and didn't see a single one of them spar all day. And I sparred close to 250 times today some in the morning, afternoon, and night. My efforts just felt wasted so I just logged off remembering why spar got boring in the first place.  

Posted by Thallen

ya
or just ban every single player who doesn't live in the US
seems fair enough

Sounds like you want to ban Stefan! XD Just kidding.
But I like the point system though ;o  

Unless someone can point out a major flaw in this remodel we're going to try it out.

Just a slight tweak:

Points Won = round((Loser Wins/ Loser Losses) x 10)  

ILY JARRETT

Posted by fp4

Points Won = round((Loser Wins/ Loser Losses) x 10)

that's a lot better than working with decimals

for anyone not understanding what he means, he's saying that if you beat someone with a 1:5 ratio, you'll get 2 points instead of 0.2, and beating someone who is 10:1 will give you 100 instead of 10
so just moving the decimal place one spot over, yeah

if you're just finding this thread, read this post for more information on how this is different from the current leaderboard  

It's live now.

If it doesn't work out we can revert back to Glicko.  

Nice!



Maybe you should swap out the word "rating" for "points" here (since it could get weird and confusing, with "showrating" being a command that actually shows your Classic-style spar rating). Second line could be changed to "Earn more points this season by sparring actively and winning against better players," or something to that effect. Or maybe that second line could be removed and there could be a sign put up in the Battle Arena that clearly explains how it works:


Right there would be a good spot for it, if you chose to do that.
The font size or right-side padding on the scores may need to be adjusted eventually, because points will go up into the 5-digit range as the season goes on.

And lastly, I still think you should consider some type of reward for the #1 spot, either in real-time or at the end of the season. A real-time reward could be a statue for each #1 player (iDevice and PC) that updates dynamically and is shown in the Battle Arena (sort of how UN does). That, or maybe the #1 players could have some kind of cool particle effect around them in the Battle Arena when they are not in a spar.
I'm not sure about an end-of-season reward. I'd suggest a hat, but that's not very original.

I'm excited to see what the leaderboard will look like 24 hours from now. Everyone should give it a little time to set in, and thanks for giving it a chance.  

If the leaderboard is going to continue to reset on a seasonal period, after about a month it's going to have a minority lead of substantial quantities at the top. It'll be those players who encompass the factors of a decent active sparrer and the leaderboard will serve its purpose in that way. However, I don't know if this will make sparring more appealing or vibrant for everyone else.

I really don't believe in the 'everyone's should be a winner' stuff, but the board is not going to seem accessible until it resets every 3 months. There's no opportunity to take the top people down without rising to them. The PK leaderboard also suffers from this but allows players to feel short term validation through its daily and weekly sections. Might be worth taking out the device-specific listings and doing that here.  

how about we just thank about the todays system.

you guys ask ask ask for admins to add something, there busy eating burgers.  

Posted by Rufus

If the leaderboard is going to continue to reset on a seasonal period, after about a month it's going to have a minority lead of substantial quantities at the top. It'll be those players who encompass the factors of a decent active sparrer and the leaderboard will serve its purpose in that way. However, I don't know if this will make sparring more appealing or vibrant for everyone else.

I don't think any leaderboard system will be able to bring people to sparring, because anyone who doesn't already spar has probably already got it in their head that they won't be able to compete under any ruleset. I do hope it makes the current sparring community queue more fearlessly and suffer leaderboard anxiety a lot less, because that was too big of a problem.

That's why I also suggested the spar hats stuff. I think that'd at least interest people to some extent.

As the season goes on, people like Sarah (on the iDevice side) will be a 5-digit number ahead of the #2 score. I'm almost positive of that, because she wins a lot and is insanely active (6000 wins in the last month, I think). I want to be able to think that's a problem, but it isn't. Someone like that simply spars more and better than the majority of others, therefore I can't think of a reason why they don't deserve it. But ya, like you said, to someone who comes in two months after the season has started and sees players with 30k points, and they start at 0, I'm sure they see no interest in sparring for the leaderboard.

But, I think that cons of the old leaderboard outweigh that:

• Rating could be manipulated and glitched
• Alternate accounts were everywhere
• You could spar 30 times and sit a high position without sparring for another 2 weeks

Posted by Rufus

I really don't believe in the 'everyone's should be a winner' stuff, but the board is not going to seem accessible until it resets every 3 months. There's no opportunity to take the top people down without rising to them. The PK leaderboard also suffers from this but allows players to feel short term validation through its daily and weekly sections. Might be worth taking out the device-specific listings and doing that here.

I agree @ "everyone gets a trophy" thing. The Glicko system worked 100% perfectly if the community was responsible enough to let it do its job naturally.

I'd be 100% behind a weekly, monthly, and seasonal (or all-time?) points board. I'm just down for whatever gets more people sparring rather than obsessing over how many points they might lose.  

no idea what happened overnight but the scores are all messed up  

Posted by Thallen

no idea what happened overnight but the scores are all messed up

Lol I was 12th or 13th when I logged off, I get back on the next day and I'm number 40something. One guy has 1 win and over 1000 points...